Donald Trump has ushered in a whole new era of fact-checking in journalism

Interviewed: Lucas Graves, a journalism professor at the University of Wisconsin Madison and author of the forthcoming book Deciding What’s True: The Rise of Political Fact-Checking in American Journalism. He argues that Trump is actually pushing journalism into a new era, emboldening newsrooms to be more aggressive in calling him out. Below is our conversation, lightly edited for length and clarity.